Timeline for REBOOT: What makes you think YOU'RE a sound designer?
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| Jul 20, 2012 at 10:40 | comment | added | Christian van Caine | Great! That makes this so much easier to discuss :-) I do agree on much you said, especially about the fact that there are so many opinions on what a sound designer actually is. Regretfully I have to do some stuff, but I'll return later this eve! As you seem to be from Finland we're pretty much in the same timezone (I'm Swedish) :-) | |
| Jul 20, 2012 at 7:40 | comment | added | Internet Human | ...a subjective/free definition/something else and not anymore simply what it originally was coined for (a term for a certain specialist in film sound)? Quite simply, I don't know if there's a need for such broad professional term (what does it mean??), it might have been different when te title was originally coined, but today its application seems more old school and even just "posh" to me on some occasions. If the title was uncomplicated, we probably wouldn't have questions like the opening question questioning "what MAKES a SD?", because SD would simply be "a professional term". | |
| Jul 20, 2012 at 7:18 | comment | added | Internet Human | I know enough about sound design in visual arts to feel that I think all art which one doesn't either consume or produce oneself can be hard to understand what it is "behind the scenes", because "behind the scenes" is not the focal point. But I've not come across the definition of a modern "sound designer" (not the one that Murch coined) in this thread. Everyone seems to have their own viewpoint, and "sound design" surely is a field wide practice. So I think the opening question ("what is/makes a sound designer"?) remains unanswered or does it then make the modern "sound designer"... | |
| Jul 19, 2012 at 21:44 | comment | added | Christian van Caine | To be able to argue this question I must know what experience you have in audio post production. I know nothing about you, so i don't know how to argue this right now. Not to pull any "I-know-best"-cards, those things are bullshit, I just simply need to know as you very well might be a full professional soundie, but if not, these kind of things actually are made to be as invisible as possible to the viewer, making it extremely hard for beginners and everyone not working with these very things to fully understand. | |
| Jul 19, 2012 at 18:29 | comment | added | Internet Human | And thus is there any point in arguing over titles and their negotiable "differences", rather than concluding that everyone is equal in the sense that they can call themselves whatever they want to, the product and work is still what makes one publicly appealing or not. | |
| Jul 19, 2012 at 18:23 | comment | added | Internet Human | I still think that definition of a designer binds pretty much every single audio artist classifiable as a sound designer, thus rendering the title rather meaningless umbrella term that applies to everyone that uses sound in a meaningful way (=pretty much everyone). Sound design is quite simply not particular for visual media, but it's applied across the audio field by everyone. No-one's primarily interested in the process, everyone's interested in the product. Thus, does a "sound designer" really stand any particular meaning today when almost everyone can be classified as designers. | |
| Jul 19, 2012 at 16:57 | comment | added | Christian van Caine | In my opinion, pure sound edit is when there are either no need for descriptive sound, or no budget/time. Design when there is. For example comedies rarely needs it that much, but especially horror and dystopian fiction is very dependent on it. Art is made for being beautiful and/or expressive, whereas designs is mostly made with a specific purpuse in mind, though with the intention of being aesthetically expressive as well. One is not better than the other, just different. | |
| Jul 19, 2012 at 16:50 | comment | added | Christian van Caine | I'd say it's very much in the application imho. Take for example a sound editor. A good sound editor has a good judgment, but for them it's a matter of placing a car door where there is called for a car door, and city amb where there are city. But for a designer, in my opinion, it's a matter of what that car door is supposed to tell about the driver. Of course not all car doors have any significance whatsoever in the movie, but sometimes. Ambiance is another even better example. | |
| Jul 19, 2012 at 14:28 | comment | added | Internet Human | I just wonder why not all artists consider themselves "designers", eventhough everyone in arts (and elsewhere) work with intention and with attention to detail. Neither do musicians or any kind of person working with audio name themselves sound "designers". "Sound design" may be used to describe a sound creation process and in that case it can be descriptive and thus useful, but "sound designers" are more rare. The thing is, what really is the difference between a "designer" and an artist, or some other pro/practitioner in the arts? | |
| Jul 19, 2012 at 10:34 | comment | added | Christian van Caine | I actually often use foley in my designs too! I also work doing specific tasks, like for example ADR (been pretty much of that), dialogue editing, and single sound effects, but few things beats the feeling of making a complete scene work imho :-) | |
| Jul 19, 2012 at 10:30 | history | answered | Christian van Caine | CC BY-SA 3.0 |