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Our church has hanging "choir mics" to pick up congregational singing for our PA system that broadcasts through the church and for our video recording.

However, a downside of this is that it picks up coughing and other background noise during the sermon, etc.

I'm looking for a way to automatically mute the choir mics when someone is speaking through the pulpit microphone. The pulpit mic has a mute button that the speaker unmutes to speak. Is there any kind of device that will automatically mute the choir mics when the pulpit mic is unmuted?

  • Max/MSP should do this kind of thing on ableton but I don't have a clu how this could be done. – JSmith Jun 6 '16 at 19:48
  • have you ever though about a "side-chain - compression" solution? – JSmith Jun 22 '16 at 2:29
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In studio settings, this is common, especially with talkback microphones. It's called ducking. Ducking is a type of side-chain compression.

This is the standard way of doing it, however, there is technically a second and third way to do it, which I will also describe below.

To setup a side-chain, you need a compressor with side chaining abilities, whether it be analog or digital. In an analog setup, you may see a 1/4" TRS cable jack, or possible two 1/4" jacks for separate Left and Right channels, that are labeled SC or Sidechain.

To use them, split the output signal from the sermon mic, and run that to the sidechain of the compressor. Then put the compressor in sidechain mode and set it up so that it attenuates appropriately, and patch that compressor into the choir mic channel.

What will happen is, every time the sermon mic picks up a signal, it will attenuate, or 'duck', the choir mics. This is volume dependent as well, so louder signals in the sermon mic will result in a quieter choir mic.

In a digital setting, this can be done on a DAW-specific basis. Every DAW handles side chaining in different ways, and some free DAWs don't even allow it.


Now, another way to do this is either with a gate or expander. These devices mute the channel or lower the volume (respectively) once the mic signal gets too quiet (falls below a threshold). These can be tricky to setup in such a way that not too much signal is being cut off, and for inexperienced users, it's common for the gate or expander to abruptly jump in and out.

I do recommend an expander as your best option for this scenario, but do plenty of research and lots of practice on setting it up first. Also, try to find an expander with a dual-threshold for this scenario.

The downside of a gate or expander in this scenario is that you will have to change the settings every single mass. It is very volume-dependent, and sensitive to volume changes, so the size of the choir, proximity to the mic, and even side of the congregation will all have an effect on the settings. Even the volume the pastor is speaking at. If the pastor has a cold or illness that affects his voice, the settings will have to be readjusted.

So I recommend using a gate or expander cautiously, as you will not be able to just set it up once and have it work every mass. It will require constant attention.


The third method is... kind of a physics hack in a way, and I'm not entirely sure it would work cleanly. It certainly WOULD work, but it might have some hiccups.

That method is to split the choir signal, reverse the polarity, and patch it into the output of the sermon mic, and then apply a gate to the sermon mic signal only on that channel.

Messy, I know, and it has some issues. It means that the choir mic can never play a sound at the same time as the sermon mic. It will abruptly cut in and out, and may sound odd at times. The pastor and choir will not be able to speak at the same time. It's also fairly complicated to setup.

I do not recommend this, but I'm just offering all options I can think of.

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A gadget that mutes one channel in the presence of a signal in another channel could be made relatively easily. But I have not seen anything like that available off the shelf.

Of course, the PROPER solution is to have a conscientious person who is actually LISTENING to the recording mix.

Of course, an automatic muting scheme might be a bad solution in cases where you have interaction between the the pulpit and the congregation as for a responsive reading or a liturgical call and response, etc.

  • Trying my best to avoid the proper solution. – Tim Hopper Jun 6 '16 at 20:24
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Peavey had the Sanctuary Series mixers with this kind of feature. Not sure if they still make them but you may be able to find them on eBay or Amazon. In particular, the S-4 mixer had a button that was designed for pulpit/wireless mics that would automatically mute the pulpit when the wireless was in use (somewhat the reverse of what you're looking for but a simple matter of assigning priority).

I would NOT recommend it for your use case, however, unless you can be 100% sure the pulpit will never be used simultaneously with the choir. If your choir director turns around and invites the congregation to join in a song the choir is singing, and continues to lead the singing from the pulpit, for example, you would want to hear the choir as well as the pulpit mic.

Ultimately this is best done through manual operation. If you really can't find a person to run the sound board, a better solution would be to invest in a digital board that allows operation by iPad, then keep an iPad on stage for someone to control this (maybe the worship leader?).

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"Zone" type mixers generally have the concept of an override input or "priority zone". For example, in a restaurant you might want to lower the background music when an announcement is being made on the microphone. In a bar you might want to turn down the radio when the juke box starts playing and turn it back up when the juke box stops. These mixers will also often have a "ducking" feature which turns down all other inputs while any one input is speaking.

For example, look at the manual for the Rane CP64S http://www.rane.com/cp64s.html

These mixers and ones like them can actually be picked up fairly cheaply on the used market. They will not have enough inputs to mix all your mics, but one could be used to manage control subgroups on your existing mixer.

Full bore automixers also exist, but they might be out of your price range.

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