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In modern rock or heavy metal sound engineering and production:
Thank you in advance!
I will give a specific example based on Cubase, but I'm sure the competition has similar options. In Cubase, you can detect transients in a track and map the to so-called hitpoints. You can either use this information to quantize the track, or to synchronize the tempo of the entire mix. Or you can convert the information to MIDI data, which you can then use to trigger a drum machine or drum machine plugin. Try googling for Beat Detective if you're using Pro Tools or Beat Finder if you're using Audacity. In all three cases, you have the choice of simply quantizing the original drums, provided you like the general sound and feel of the recording, completely replacing the original drums, or mixing real and synthetic drums.
I'm a drummer, so I belong firmly in the camp of first trying to get the best recording of the real drums. A good drummer adds nuances, expressions and small variations that are hard to program. Even though this might be lost on the general audience, I find it really helps the rest of the band get into the right groove. So if the engineer knows how to mike the drums properly, a little quantization of the drums might be all you need to make a killer set of drum tracks.
Another technique is to record multiple sets of drum tracks. After the main drum tracks have been recorded, have the drummer record secondary tracks on a different drum kit, or at least with a different kick, snare and hi-hat. Examples of effects on the secondary tracks are heavy compression and distortion and/or heavy EQ (lo-fi), extreme reverb/delay, flange. Some takes might work well as a constant complement to the main drums throughout the song, while other takes work well as additional fills.
If you need a more well defined or pronounced "edge" to the kick drum, try taping a quarter to the front of the beater. If the bass drum is too "boomy", try placing a small blanket on the bottom of the drum barrel inside the drum. You'll have to experiment with the placement.
Finally, if the bass overlays the kick drum (or vice versa, depending on your point of view :-), then another option is to let the bass take the low end and record and/or EQ the kick drum to merely emphasize the click-sound of the beater.
I'm in no way a kick-drum recording guru, but my limited experience tells me that the absolutely most important part in making drums sound good is that they sound good live. Guitars and keys you can tweak with filters and things, but a drumset that sounds slightly cardboardy or soggy will sound like that no matter what you do.
Part of making this happen is the magick of drum tuning which is a black art some drummers seem to know and others don't. But if you have drums that sound kick-ass live, and you have them in a room that isn't too echoey, I've even had decent results by laying cheap mics inside the kick (I didn't have enough mic-stands, what can I say...).
For the bass drum you need a mic that can handle the levels, which can be high, and doesn't cut off the bass. It's trial and error, unless you have the dough to go to a store and buy one. :)
If the drums doesn't sound that great, and you don't want to hurt the drummers feelings, you can record the drums on separate tracks, and replace them with software, see Kim's answer above.
first of all everyone seems to only talk about mic placements, well ok there are a few and then some more techniques to use what you got from your great placement and all but i fear that some very crucial factors are overlooked .
Floor: The first thing that will take energy away from the kick is the floor underneath it, flooring has so much to do with adjacent instruments producing bass frequencies affecting sustain and and massive -ness :P
So get the hardest floor possible and the most massive, if you have to use a carpet for the kick not to roll use the thinnest possible or find another way to stabilize it.
The end result if everything is right is a truly magnified kick sound and fully energetic.
Room: Bass frequencies can be killed in a bad room, i wont say a lot but the bass must be present at the 90% of the room and it has to be tight, that's the right word, tight.
Phase: Another bass killer, you get the insane kick sound then all of a sudden you get the overhead mics in the mix , boom, bass gone.You lose one of your friends the room mic.
SO,Phase....
Tuned Drumset: T U N E D drumset, Can we please find a drummer who can actually tune a nice kick-snare? listen to records man , understand that damn "tu tu - ka"
If YOU tune the drums the membrane must help the drummer play in terms of stick/beater feedback.
If you really want to talk about placement ill tell you my favorite, go 1-1.+ meters away from the kick put a condenser at tom height and angle it at 45degrees towards the kick.
Guys who have all that and a very good signal flow aaand too much free time , do record samples and make programs like drumagog.
As a final tip if you want isolation to your drum kick you can ckeck out the tunnel technique, a known one and easy , you simply put a chair with rags in front of the kick and the mic underneath so it doesn't get the OH spill.
If you have found a nice way to pick up the beater sound, use a subkick!
And now to the production stuff, im not gonna tell you what buttons i press and turn cause everyone has his own ways and w/e around a console/box , what im going to tell you though is the word context. A Kick drum or nearly every instrument can sound good/bad only by the context. Listen to records , don't you feel that zeppelin's kick drum is more massive than a new age rock band? though i ve ran many checks and have found it really less bass-y than the new ones BUT context, makes it shine.
So get your recordings the best you can, and then steer the production/mix to the way it's supposed to go, if you try and make everything mooore bass-ier the kick might not cut it at the end, if you try to mix using other elements you can create much better mixes , try energy perception placement depth movement.
Good luck
"Is it possible to get a decent sound without triggers on the kick drum?"
Well the trigger sample was created with a mic somewhere, so it MUST be possible. Or do they use synth kicks in heavy metal now?
Grab a kick mic and stick it inside the drum. Aim the mic directly where the beater is striking. Maybe change the beater head to a hard type to get more of a smack. Make sure the kick drum is tuned correctly - the safe bet is to just barely get the heads tightened to get that super low thud. I also like the mic outside the drum, but you won't get as much beater attack.
You can always replace the kick hits with samples if the kick sound isn't adequate during mix.
Logic has tools to analyze the audio and produce MIDI notes. Other software probably has the same. Drumagog is a plugin which does this too I belivee.
