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I'm doing a lot of work in a relatively old theatre this year. The space is part of a church that probably hasn't put any money into maintenance and upgrades for the theatre (except for light bulbs, which we sometimes have to beg for anyway) in over a decade.

Part of the space's oldness is antiquated wiring. I'm told by veterans of the space that electrical noise will come through the power system and get into the sound system. I've heard it, and sometimes it's impossible to tell where it's coming from. Supposedly, a hair dryer plugged in at the other end of the building can cause interference in the theatre.

The biggest problem, though, seems to be the lighting system. When I turn the sound system on before a show (following dimmer check, but before any lights are brought up), there's no noticeable buzz in the speakers. As soon as I hit the pre-show light cue, though, a buzz shows up.

When the lights cross-fade, the buzz modulates. I haven't been able to figure out what to do about the problem—not that I have much sound experience, but the guy who's been doing it for years just chalks it up to the space.

His normal setup includes a large umbilical cable running from the mixing board in the booth to the speakers and amps on- and backstage. That cable runs along a wall about ten feet up; on the other side of the wall are the two Strand CD80 dimmer racks that house the theatre's 48 dimmers. There are also usually power and signal cables for the amps and speakers running across the floor near the racks.

I've managed to mitigate most of the buzz in the house by turning down the speakers and boosting the amplification (so the overall output is reduced, but the signal is stronger compared to the noise). But there's still a noticeable buzz during silences, and it comes through quite loudly over the monitors.

Are there any mixing techniques that can further reduce or eliminate (ha!) the audible component of the interference, or do I need to recommend an overhaul of the equipment inventory and standard setup procedures?

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That's a clever way to reduce the noise. I'm not sure if you could do something like what true noise-cancelling headphones do -- sample the noise (before it's mixed with your audio), invert it, and mix it in so the inversion cancels out the noise? – Matthew Read Dec 17 '10 at 3:02
I very much like that idea. I can't think of how to make it work, but if I could just figure it out... :-) – dgw Dec 17 '10 at 17:58
That assumes that the noise is constant, and consistent - sadly, I think you'd find that it's rather chaotic. – chris Dec 18 '10 at 22:01
It is chaotic. I'd have to somehow get an input that is just noise. – dgw Dec 22 '10 at 22:58
@RonPrice: You're probably better off asking this in a separate question - more people will see it and you'll be more likely to get an answer that way. – BenV Jan 29 '11 at 16:44

There are two possible causes (that I can think about) that would introduce lighting-related noise. Determining the cause is difficult - once you know why, you can determine the steps to take to eliminate it.

The first possible cause is RF (usually from dimmers) being picked up by some of the wiring. If you suspect this is the cause, you can determine where it's coming from by a process of elimination. I'd start at the amps and work my way back. Is the noise there if the inputs to the amps are unplugged? Are there crossovers, etc?

If you can determine the source of the noise, the next thing to eliminate would be noise introduced via the power. This won't work for amps, or anything that draws a lot of current, but if the noise is coming from the board, crossovers, EQs or similar low-current electronics, try running them off a good quality UPS - something that generates the power off the batteries would be ideal.

You might get lucky, and narrow it down to a single source, but my guess is that its systematic - you can do lots of things to reduce it slightly, but short of rewiring the building you're going to have to live with it.

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Yeah, the first thing you need to do is identify the source. Narrow it down more than just "it's in the space". Unplug the speakers and plug them into another power amp. Is the hum still there? Unplug the amp and plug it into a different power outlet. Is it still the same? Unplug all the inputs to the mixer and see if there's still hum. etc. etc. until you find which components are picking it up. – endolith Dec 17 '10 at 21:32

I think trying to mix around this will be an exercise in frustration - your best bet is to try to fix the problem at the source. The dimmers (and/or associated cabling) are the most obvious likely source of the buzz. Even if the snake you're running has balanced lines, I'd want to move it away from them. And the other cables as well - if there are unbalanced line level cables going through there they can pick up buzz.

Ideally, I'd want all the audio cabling on the other side of the theater from the lighting stuff. But if that's not possible, take a look at where some of the audio cabling is lying in relation to the dimmer packs & lighting cables. If you can move them apart even by a foot or two, or arrange things so they are not running in parallel, you may be able to reduce the buzz significantly. You may have to experiment a bit to see which lines are causing the buzz - it may end up being more than one. With some luck, you may be able to solve the issue for now without rewiring. But I'd still lobby to reroute all the audio cables.

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As you mentioned, boosting the signal is essential. That's really sound engineering rule one, the signal should always be as high as possible without distorting in all parts of the chain.

What's worked for me to minimize hum and buzz, in order of usefulness:

  1. Move signal cables away from power cables and power equipment (especially fluorescent lamps).
  2. Every signal that can go through a balanced cable should go through a balanced cable.
  3. Try to see if you can find which signal cables, if any, are the noisiest, and stop using them.
  4. Make sure the cable shielding is properly connected to ground.
  5. If you have a device that introduce buzz/hum and it uses a "wall wart", make sure that's a good quality power adapter. Many cheaper adapters that output for example 9VDC will not filter away the 50/60Hz signal properly. I had this problem with a Boss compressor, but noticed that it didn't appear when I used the original Boss power adapter.
  6. Flip the power cables for all sound equipment around 180 degrees, one device at a time, so the "left" pin goes in the "right" hole, so to speak. Listen if it makes a difference. (This doesn't work in all countries).
  7. See if you can find exactly which devices that introduce most noise. Try putting power conditioners / hum filters on these devices.
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The first thing you should probably check is whether or not all of your outlets are wired correctly. Don't assume if you have a 3-prong outlet that it is actually grounded either. A lot of older places didn't bother with a ground wire. Pop the outlet covers off and take a look yourself. While you're at it, make sure the polarity is correct. (Yes, it does matter, even for AC.) Now, if your outlet situation is good, read on...

Dimmer packs are notoriously noisy.

See if you can figure out where most of the noise is coming from. Start with a microphone plugged directly into your mixer and test the output. If you have noise at the desk, then get a power conditioner for the desk.

Eliminate the problem throughout the chain. Check the noise at the end of your cable runs from the desk to the amps. If you have noise then check your cabling. Then, check for noise after the amps. If all else is well, you may need a power conditioner for them as well.

You will have to track this down step by step to really fix the problem. Your efforts will be worth it.

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The fix to this is to isolate the audio system's AC from the lighting system's AC. This can be done professionally and with some expense with a large isolation transformer, but on a budget or on the fly, try to get the audio and lighting systems on separate circuits and if possible, on separate legs. Also, I've been in situations where the lighting controller was located too close to the mixing console and it caused interference.

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Lift the ground on your PA system! DO IT!

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We're looking for long answers that provide some explanation and context. Don't just give a one-line answer; explain why your answer is right, ideally with citations. Answers that don't include explanations may be removed.

We're looking for long answers that provide some explanation and context. Don't just give a one-line answer; explain why your answer is right, ideally with citations. Answers that don't include explanations may be removed. – Arnoud Traa Feb 5 '15 at 15:49
Worded slightly differently, don't just say that this is the answer, but explain why! – Warrior Bob Feb 5 '15 at 17:29
Not only brief & to the point, but also highly dangerous. Think I'll recommend leaving this one up, even just as a warning to not try it. [second thoughts, I'll skip it & let others decide] – Tetsujin Feb 27 '15 at 14:51
Even though that might help (I'm not sure it will, but it might), please explain why. – EMV Mar 23 '15 at 12:46
With the greatest of respect, lifting the ground on the PA system could quite well solve that particular issue, but could also potentially be very dangerous! So it's REALLY NOT recommended... – Fatso Apr 17 at 20:50

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